Ck2 Over Vassal Limit
What happens in CK2 if your demesne is larger than the allowed size, such as 6/4 or 6/3, over a large amount of time? Stack Exchange Network Stack Exchange network consists of 175 Q&A communities including Stack Overflow, the largest, most trusted online community for developers to learn, share their knowledge, and build their careers.
Quote Judging from the replies, so long as that title gives your viceroy authority over your vassals, then yes. So, if you're the Byzantines and you have douxes in Tracesia, Charsianon, and Trebizond, and you appoint a Viceroy over all of Anatolia, all those vassals should go to your Viceroy, who will then be the only relevant vassal (so, instead of, say 3 vassals, you now have 1).Honestly, as someone who enjoys playing proper Imperial titles, this is going to be fantastic. I have more questions for the devs:- Is there anything the Viceroy is prohibited from doing? For example, can he create duchies underneath him, if he's king-tier and all the vassals under him are counts?- Can viceroys create titles above what they have? For example, if you hold all the duchy titles that constitute a kingdom (or even just the required number for forming normally), grant them all as a viceroyalty, can your duke-tier viceroy create the kingdom title?- Are the kingdom viceroy law and duchy viceroy law completely exclusive? So, could you have both king-tier viceroys and duke-tier viceroys?
If so, can your viceroys have viceroys?- Can you appoint non-feudal vassals (bishops and doges) as viceroys? Can Empire-tier Bishops and Doges appoint viceroys? A viceroy is not prohibited in any way, and can create duchies. And yes, this means that even if you make a vassal powerful using viceroyalties, the vassal and his/her dynasty might grow dangerous.- A viceroy can create title as a regular vassal can.- Only emperors can have viceroy-laws, and having the viceroy-law enabled for duchies also have them enabled for kingdoms.
Transferring a viceroyal duke to a viceroyal king would in theory mean that the duke-title would be given to the viceroy king when the duke dies.- There is no government type-requirement for viceroyalties, as long as the emperor is not tribal. Quote - Can viceroys start factions/plots to make their title hereditary?- Can the CA of a viceroy's title be changed by the viceroy or their vassals?- How does the vassal limit scale with dynastic prestige, Diplomacy, and tier? In other words: How many vassals do you get for a point in dynastic prestige, one point in ruler Diplomacy, or from a specific tier?- Does any tech give a bonus to vassal limit? Can this be modded in, if that is not the case?- Can a designated regent be unseated through the actions of other vassals or courtiers?- How hard is it to change the regent's mind? Is it mainly based on their opinion of you, or will you be running into a '-' to some actions even if the regent really likes you (a Zealous Catholic regent might oppose any attempt to declare war on the Pope even if you bribe him)? The title will become hereditary if the viceroy manages to become independent.- Yes, CA can be changed by the viceroy.- This is still subject to change so I can't give you any exact numbers.- There is no tech to give bonus to vassal limit (and as mentioned there is no longer any tech to give bonus to demesne size).
Both these effects can be modded in.- Nope.- Opinion will have an effect, but some interactions will be difficult - for instance to convince your regent to marry someone of another religion and culture. I've given it serious thought.
I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.Lettow April of 2011'I love how Raz just becomes the caricature for exactly what he is claiming doesn't actually exist.and he doesn't even know it! He is 100% oblivious to the irony of his own statements.' - Berkut telling a lie.Raz is right.MadImmortalMan March of 2017.
Ck2 Over Vassal Limited
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.Lettow April of 2011'I love how Raz just becomes the caricature for exactly what he is claiming doesn't actually exist.and he doesn't even know it! He is 100% oblivious to the irony of his own statements.'
- Berkut telling a lie.Raz is right.MadImmortalMan March of 2017. I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.Lettow April of 2011'I love how Raz just becomes the caricature for exactly what he is claiming doesn't actually exist.and he doesn't even know it! He is 100% oblivious to the irony of his own statements.'
- Berkut telling a lie.Raz is right.MadImmortalMan March of 2017. I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.Lettow April of 2011'I love how Raz just becomes the caricature for exactly what he is claiming doesn't actually exist.and he doesn't even know it!
He is 100% oblivious to the irony of his own statements.' - Berkut telling a lie.Raz is right.MadImmortalMan March of 2017. I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.Lettow April of 2011'I love how Raz just becomes the caricature for exactly what he is claiming doesn't actually exist.and he doesn't even know it! He is 100% oblivious to the irony of his own statements.'
- Berkut telling a lie.Raz is right.MadImmortalMan March of 2017.
I believe that if you don't have the DLC, the new Imperial Administration law gives an extra +10 vassal limit. Download able2extract professional 10.0. (On top of the normal +25 if you do have the DLC)Edit:My bad. Just double checked, and Imp Admin gives +25 either way. However, if you have CM, Imp Admin also activates the Duchy Viceroyality law, which gives -10 Vassal Limit.The overall formula appears to be:(1 base value.
rank modifier, 30 for Emperors) + (ruler diplomacy + 0.5.spouse diplomacy/4) + modifiers from laws + (family prestige/500)So, as the Byzantine/Roman emperor, without the CM DLC active, you would have a vassal limit of 55, before modifiers from diplomacy or centralization laws.Edit 2:fixed diplomacy modifier calc, added prestige modifier. The diplo modifier appears to round up (for diplo stats between one and three, anyway), and I think it takes the diplomacy of the spouse into account, but not the chancellor.I believe the family prestige modifier gives +1 vassal limit for every 500 family prestige, but I'm not completely sure. (Edit: Ran a few tests, and this is indeed how it works.
Alright guys, I found the save! Now I installed Charlemagne along with all the other major DLC and I'm ready to play.Now that I've got this fired up, I'll just use the military and economic might of the Roman Empire to take over the ent.Well that's odd.
I don't seem to be making any money.Let me just check the modifiers here.You hate me. 0.0 tax.You hate me. 0.0 tax.You hate me. 0.0 tax.You like me a little bit! 0.0 tax.What? Why am I still getting no tax?.Hovers over tax number.Over vassal limit: -100% taxGoddammit.69/31 VassalsGoddammit.Ugh, I'm going to need a while here.
Like I said, Charley (or, technically, the patch which Charley unlocks some of the features of) breaks the game. It probably wouldn't matter whatever the quality of the Emperor is, any pre-Charley save where you have a large empire but don't have a massive pile of money, or haven't already organised it using vassal kings, is probably fucked. The fact that you need your money in order to convert to Greek culture here is just icing on top of the cake.You might be able to roll back the patch in order to sort things out under the pre-Charley system and then re-implement it or even just continue on.
Like I said, Charley (or, technically, the patch which Charley unlocks some of the features of) breaks the game. It probably wouldn't matter whatever the quality of the Emperor is, any pre-Charley save where you have a large empire but don't have a massive pile of money, or haven't already organised it using vassal kings, is probably fucked.
The fact that you need your money in order to convert to Greek culture here is just icing on top of the cake.You might be able to roll back the patch in order to sort things out under the pre-Charley system and then re-implement it or even just continue on.